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TheWreck
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-24 21:56:15 |
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Soon, I will be racing in a winter hill climb , the race is in a ski resort, the guy who went there last year told me that there was about 1to2 feet of snow, with slick rocks, grass, moss under the snow.
I'm going to install a 2inch lift kit to get more clearance and being able to reach the bottom without getting jacked.
What would be the best tires for this application? I was seriously thinking of 28x10.5 Oultlaws for front and rear, my other choice where ITP UTV Sand Star or AMS Paddles but they dont do them bigger then 26"....
Cheers! and Merry Christmas!
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firefighterjosh
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-24 22:19:41 |
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For 1 - 2 feet of snow I would think Mudlites would work great. They have aggrissive paddle type shape and are light weight. 27 Inch would be fine. Too big and youll be getting tippy. Too tall and heavy of a tire you may bog it out and loose power.
Key to hillclimbing is momentum, hopefully you can get somewhat of a run at it
Good Luck! 
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-24 22:23:48 |
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i would stay away from mudlites i find them really bad in the snow they spin at all and you get high centered 
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TheWreck
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-24 22:41:46 |
Posts: 152
Remigny, Quebec , Canada
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simpson9999, I agree with you, one of my buddy have mudlites 27's on his Grizzly 660 and I go through alot more snow than him with my XTR's that are way heavier...But I agree with you firefighterjosh on the point of being to tall and all the incoveniant of it, 27 is a good size...
Maybe Zillas(not mudzillas) would be good, they are light, should clean up well...
The other thing is that I want the same width on the 4corners, so i dont need to fight against my own ruts.
Do you guys think that the 2 inch lift kit would help me?
Thanks!
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firefighterjosh
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-24 22:47:19 |
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I wasn't aware they sucked so bad in snow. But I would try to get a lightest tire possible.
I don't think a 2 inch lift would help you. The point of a lift is mainly making room for bigger tires, and if your going to run 27s or even 28s (which I don't think would rub) I don't think it benifit enough.
Now I have another question.
Is this just a strait up hill? Or does it have curves and stuff?
If its just strait up then side to side stability is not that much of a issue. Then I would prabably run a lift and 28 inch tires to get every inch of groud clearance possible
But if you have to corner any then I would go with 27s and no lift so you could benifit on keeping your speed up in corners and not have to slow down to keep from rolling over.
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TheWreck
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-24 22:55:25 |
Posts: 152
Remigny, Quebec , Canada
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It's like a Drag Race 2 Quad Racing side by side, in an elimination process with to check point, going up the hill, going through tight turns, tight wood trails, always going uphill. Once on top you have points for the first reaching the top and after that! it's the Drop! Going back Down straight in deep snow as fast as you can! It's going to be serious punishment on me and my KQ...
I think you're right on lift kit questions! it's going to kill handling...and may kill my self to!LOL! 
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Triple J
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-24 22:57:03 |
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I've had extremely good luck with mudlite xl's in the snow.
You can also reverse the tread like the do for sand riding (makes it dig in less) Also run lower air pressure to keep as much tread as possible on the ground.
Also a lift kit will give you more ground clearance along with the bigger tires. I'd personally go with the xpatv lift.
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Triple J
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-24 23:04:31 |
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Kasson, Minnesota , USA
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With the XPatv lift I find the king quad handles even better, it moves the top of the shocks outwards and takes away a lot of the body roll that others experience.
I'll run as hard as the sport rigs with my lifted king and give them a good run.
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firefighterjosh
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-24 23:07:19 |
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Northern, Indiana , USA
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So its like a up hill cross Country Race! Shaawweeet! Sounds fun.
My guess is that the course will prabably turn to mud very fast. Depending on ice and how many quads show up. If it was me building the quad for this race only I would go with 26inch mud type tires. Not sure what kind. I would also plan to run 4wd the whole time (not locked).
Couple pointers I have been working on, do all your braking before the conrner, when you reach the corner get on the gas just enough that it dosen't spin out. Shift your wieght as far inside the corner as you can. and hold on.
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Dr Z
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-24 23:18:08 |
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In the snow you want a tire that will clean out as fast as it can. Otherwise you will just dig a hole and high center. Snow is different than mud and I used to think that an aggressive mud tire would be better. I think someone said the Bighorns were good. Maybe check the tire posts.
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-24 23:36:55 |
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Gardenton, Manitoba , Canada
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I'll be ordering SuperGrip Mud... um dogs!  I won't have them for probably a month so that's not very helpful. Personally I'd think that you want as much ground clearance as possible. I'd run the 3" lift with as tall of a tire as you can turn fast. You can always change rim offset or get wheel spacers to gain back stability and lower CG. It depends too if you're breaking a trail or if you're going up other ruts. If going up others ruts you want to be faster so I'd go with a smaller tire... There are so many variables. I would think a tire that could paddle would be best IMO.
As for snow turning to mud I don't think that will happen in Canada!  Unless it happens to be above freezing that day but that shouldn't really happen this time of year. Everything should be very well frozen, unless Quebec is more temperate than Manitoba, but I'm not aware that it is. I would just consider the snow.
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TheWreck
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-25 20:13:47 |
Posts: 152
Remigny, Quebec , Canada
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My Rokstar wheels are 4+3's, so lifting or having a wider stance is fine. Triple J, do the XPATV lift seems to be made durable and accept alot of abuse? I'm real rough on stuff....!
Today I reversed my tires to see if it was making a good difference, and what i observed is that the bike tend to go on top of snow instead of trying to dig trough(do i spell it right?lol) it! Positive Results! 
Should I remove my sway bar?
Thanks!
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Triple J
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-25 20:20:03 |
Posts: 14961
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I've got over 2200 miles of abuse on my lift, had to weld one sway bar link that broke but that's all. I do not baby my king either so I have to say yes it handles the abuse.
Removing your swaybar will allow the rear to stick to the ground better but tends to make it tippier in high speed turns.
Glad to hear the reversing tire tread worked for you, old sand duners trick. .
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TheWreck
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-25 20:48:31 |
Posts: 152
Remigny, Quebec , Canada
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"I've got over 2200 miles of abuse on my lift, had to weld one sway bar link that broke but that's all. I do not baby my king either so I have to say yes it handles the abuse."
That's the kind of review I like!
If those XTR were'nt that heavy I think that they could be real good!
For the sway bar, I will remove it tomorrow and make some testing...
Thanks
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TheWreck
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-26 17:15:16 |
Posts: 152
Remigny, Quebec , Canada
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I've been searching the whole Suzuki section to finally find it here! lol
Ok, today I removed the sway bar and went for a testing session, had some good results, I did not felt a big lost in handling but felt an improvement in traction, which is positive!
Finally made my choice for tires, I'll order them tomorow, it will be 27x11 Maxxis Zillas(not mudzillas) on all 4, I choose them because of their weight, price, the way i will be able to install ice studs in them and the fact that they will be a good mud tire to!
Would it be a good thing to put tire balls in them? with almost no air? or is there chances that the wheel spin free in the tire?
Thanks! Rej
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firefighterjosh
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-27 11:39:42 |
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Northern, Indiana , USA
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Tire balls are good choice. BUt they are best with a beadlock rim. Main thing with tire balls is to help keep your tires inflated when puntured. Most people I know still atleast run 3 PSI in there tires and when they get puntured from something the tire balls still keep them aired up.
Is this your first race? If so I woudn't worry too much about it. My first race my king quad was 100% stock, race after race I started figuring out what I wanted.
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TheWreck
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-27 18:11:47 |
Posts: 152
Remigny, Quebec , Canada
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Yes this is my first race!
The thing is that i just love to pimp out my gear!lol
And make sure it will perform well and be reliable...
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firefighterjosh
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-28 22:30:47 |
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Northern, Indiana , USA
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Sometimes the more you modify the worse things get lol.
You have a good list of goodies, try them out see what happends, you will know what you want after the first run
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TheWreck
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-29 00:41:54 |
Posts: 152
Remigny, Quebec , Canada
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I know that i could get some good results out of it as it is now.
This Race is scheduled in early march, so for now i'm trying things and i will have plenty of time to decide wich set up will be the best with my driving style and the weather, amount of snow and all other factors when it will be time to race it!
I'm having a great time doing wrenching this quad!
With all the informations, advices, experience and knowledge found on this forum, it's like having an R&D team helping me out!
Nyroc Rocks!
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firefighterjosh
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Subject: Winter Hill Climb Race | 2007-12-30 20:56:02 |
Posts: 2779
Northern, Indiana , USA
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I agree NYROC Rocks!
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